These are few comments on post on a DU teachers forum forum about organization of religious function in KM College
There is no Ish Mishra brand secularism. Secualrism is to keep one's religion to oneself and not spill it over public domain. Hindu and Muslim c ommunalisms are twins and equally dangerous. The communal biogots should pity themselves that they cant get out of their identity emanating from biological accidents. All the religions are regressive as they blunt reason in the name of irrational faith and their inherited unscientific prejudices. Their education does not make them rational beings but only equips them with information and skill to run their livelihood. Science people in this matter are at top. All the religions by definition are regressive, Hinduism is most regressive as other religions allow at least the theoretical possibility of equality, Hinduism resolving around inhuman Varnashram ideology does not allow even the theoretical possibility of equality, people are born unequal. Bible is collection of primitive fables and Islam is creation of a clever shepherd who declared himself to be agent of God. There is no difference between obscurantism of Taliban and that of fascist RSS, whose organic intellectual Golvalkar considers Nazi Hitler as an ideal to be emulated by Hindus in India. India would turn into Afganistan if Hindu Talibans, Modis and Tigadia kind of fascist criminals who led worst kind of massacre and rape are allowed to come into power. Fascism suits better to corporate that is why Modi is blue eyed boy of corporate and its media. Mr. Pandey realize this before its too late. I have posted a link how the malnutrition and inequality in Modi's Gujarat has multiplied manifold. For political populism Modi would massacre tribals who are refusing and protesting against land grab for political mileage.
Tamal Dasgupta Hinduism that evolved through social division of Varnashram that treats majority of its population in most inhuman form. I was born and brought up in a ritualistic Brahmin family and spent childhood in still functional Varnashram feudalism and witnessed its inhuman functioning from of advantageous side that looked normal and natural. But with questioning anything and everything in quest of knowing what is good for humanity I discovered its inhuman irrationality, transcended the identity of biological accident of birth and became an atheist. I started my political; carrier with ABVP and was its secretariat member of Allahabad University at the age of 17 and know its ins and outs, you can confirm it from Arun Jaitley/MM Joshi et al and son as a science student realized its irrational anti-national obscurantism within a year and resigned. I pity on people who despite having done PhD in Physics that does not recognize anything beyond questioning and beyond cause effect relationship are unable to transcend the identity emanating from the biological accident of birth.
Suppose you were little away from where you were born may be your caste/religion would have been different. Was I born 200 meters north in another family i would have been a Dalit and a low caste Muslim if I was born 200 meters west. That is why one's religious caste identity is result of biological accident. One has no contribution in where one is born so there is nothing to be proud or ashamed of it. What is important is how you comprehend the history irrespective of the biological accident of birth.
Suppose you were little away from where you were born may be your caste/religion would have been different. Was I born 200 meters north in another family i would have been a Dalit and a low caste Muslim if I was born 200 meters west. That is why one's religious caste identity is result of biological accident. One has no contribution in where one is born so there is nothing to be proud or ashamed of it. What is important is how you comprehend the history irrespective of the biological accident of birth.
I do not know which lady complained about whose dress and to be anti-feminist one needs not necessarily be a male in the same way to be feminist you need not necessarily be a female. Couple of females created ruckus in the Staff Association meeting, when association was discussing sexist abuses on the face book by the organizers of the hostel alumni meet (the daru party) despite objections by the present lady warden (Poonam Sethi) in connivance with ex-warden, who was still occupying the warden's residence months after relinquishing the office, and the acting Principal. These females whose husbands were among the organizers, sought to disrupt the meeting along with other open agents of GB, who are luckily in minuscule minority. The manhandling incident in another Staff association (I was out of station that time) was fall out of that. The DPE had come after the victory in a cricket match, came to the staff room in T-shirt and shorts with trophy and sweets and one of these women complained to the GB without bringing it to the Staff Association. The resulting into the notification of the dress code.Executive Committee of Staff Association along with the DUTA leadership met the GB, which in principles agreed to withdraw the notification. This is the limited information, I have.
Not fashion but conviction. We do not want matriarchal society either, we seek a gender free society, as counter inequality is no solution to the problem of equality; equality is. As far as your reference to a lady teacher and "activist"'s view is concerned, to be a votary of patriarchy you need not be necessarily be a male in the same way as to be feminist you need not be necessarily a woman.Just like communalism, Gender is also not an attribute of biology but an ideology that is created and perpetuated through our everyday life practices. Ideology affects both -- the victim and perpetrator alike. Gender is an ideology that is why has to be fought at ideological;l level.
Mr. Pandey, I do not blame you, as you are a science student for not knowing difference between sex and gender. To put things simpler, gender is the ideology of patriarchy that discriminates on the basis of sex. Sex is natural and gender is ideological construct that assigns status and role model of men and women. For example, When the BJP Minister of MP advises women not to cross the Laxman Rekha or Bhagvat says that rapes occur in "India not in Bharat" or Sushma Swaraj makes the statement about the rape of physiotherapy student in December that even if she survived her life will be worst than death as if essence of female life lies between the legs. These are rendered statements. Being gender-free is breaking these genderized notions, which are not attributes of biology but ideological constructs by allowing women as equal human beings with equal freedom as men. I think now it would be clear to you what is meant by a gender free society. I will send you a photocopy of a research paper, I wrote in 1987, "Women's Question in Communal Ideologies: A Study into ideologies of RSS and Jamat-e-Islami", in course of which I read all the writings of RSS ideologues, Golvalkar and DD Upadhyay and utterances of fringe ones like Deshmukh and Deoras, who like Hitler holds that women's place is in the kitchen, which is a genderized statement.
Mr. Kapahi the low level you and your cohorts can stoop down is not surprising that is the Sanghi training, I still feel that those who claim to be Hindu or Muslim nationalist are anti-nationalists and not me, Tamal started Hindu nationalism business, I just reacted. Bhagvat's statement was clearly Male Chauvinist that should not be surprising as all the communal ideologies are anti-feminist. Shushma Swaraj' and many other BJP leadersd who had come out openly in defense of rapist Asharam with whom many pictures of top BJP leaders including Bajpayee had been displayed on social networking sights, simply conform the rapist attitude that there is no worth of a woman after rape, her identity has to be concealed not that of rapist. What does that MCP(Male Chauvinist Pig) minister of MP mean when he advises women not to cross the Laxman Rekha? Do the nights and roads belong to rapists? Ideologically bankrupt Sanghis do not argue but stoop down to baseless personal attacks. I do not blame you, its problem with the Sanghi/Bajrangi training which I also received as a teenager but fortunately was able to break from. Leave these stupidities of baseless personal attacks to young Bajrangi lumpens, this kind of behavior does not suit to your seniority. I am pained to write such thing for a senior professor like you but, you invited it. Last advice,start behaving like a mature respected academician, lumpenism does not suit your stature. Regards. I gave these examples to Mr. Pandey to explain him the difference b/w sex and gender.
But India is not Germany, he would have his his way so easy. Tragically many educated duffers are looking at him as savior, I challenge to quote one sentence or act of this organizer of pogrom and mass gang rape and murder that shows him a visionary and they resort to abuses and personal castigation. When Atasl bihari became the PM majority of educated people, the professors, particularly,. would say, India has got a visionary PM now. I challenged the intellectuals of the world to quote one act or sentence or lines from his poems of the standard of X/XI students to prove him visionary. He became PM for 13 days and without seeking the confidence of the house gave counter guarantee to the fraudulent Enron, no one knows for what bribe.
There is no Ish Mishra brand secularism. Secualrism is to keep one's religion to oneself and not spill it over public domain. Hindu and Muslim c ommunalisms are twins and equally dangerous. The communal biogots should pity themselves that they cant get out of their identity emanating from biological accidents. All the religions are regressive as they blunt reason in the name of irrational faith and their inherited unscientific prejudices. Their education does not make them rational beings but only equips them with information and skill to run their livelihood. Science people in this matter are at top. All the religions by definition are regressive, Hinduism is most regressive as other religions allow at least the theoretical possibility of equality, Hinduism resolving around inhuman Varnashram ideology does not allow even the theoretical possibility of equality, people are born unequal. Bible is collection of primitive fables and Islam is creation of a clever shepherd who declared himself to be agent of God. There is no difference between obscurantism of Taliban and that of fascist RSS, whose organic intellectual Golvalkar considers Nazi Hitler as an ideal to be emulated by Hindus in India. India would turn into Afganistan if Hindu Talibans, Modis and Tigadia kind of fascist criminals who led worst kind of massacre and rape are allowed to come into power. Fascism suits better to corporate that is why Modi is blue eyed boy of corporate and its media. Mr. Pandey realize this before its too late. I have posted a link how the malnutrition and inequality in Modi's Gujarat has multiplied manifold. For political populism Modi would massacre tribals who are refusing and protesting against land grab for political mileage.
Tamal Dasgupta Hinduism that evolved through social division of Varnashram that treats majority of its population in most inhuman form. I was born and brought up in a ritualistic Brahmin family and spent childhood in still functional Varnashram feudalism and witnessed its inhuman functioning from of advantageous side that looked normal and natural. But with questioning anything and everything in quest of knowing what is good for humanity I discovered its inhuman irrationality, transcended the identity of biological accident of birth and became an atheist. I started my political; carrier with ABVP and was its secretariat member of Allahabad University at the age of 17 and know its ins and outs, you can confirm it from Arun Jaitley/MM Joshi et al and son as a science student realized its irrational anti-national obscurantism within a year and resigned. I pity on people who despite having done PhD in Physics that does not recognize anything beyond questioning and beyond cause effect relationship are unable to transcend the identity emanating from the biological accident of birth.
Suppose you were little away from where you were born may be your caste/religion would have been different. Was I born 200 meters north in another family i would have been a Dalit and a low caste Muslim if I was born 200 meters west. That is why one's religious caste identity is result of biological accident. One has no contribution in where one is born so there is nothing to be proud or ashamed of it. What is important is how you comprehend the history irrespective of the biological accident of birth.
Suppose you were little away from where you were born may be your caste/religion would have been different. Was I born 200 meters north in another family i would have been a Dalit and a low caste Muslim if I was born 200 meters west. That is why one's religious caste identity is result of biological accident. One has no contribution in where one is born so there is nothing to be proud or ashamed of it. What is important is how you comprehend the history irrespective of the biological accident of birth.
I do not know which lady complained about whose dress and to be anti-feminist one needs not necessarily be a male in the same way to be feminist you need not necessarily be a female. Couple of females created ruckus in the Staff Association meeting, when association was discussing sexist abuses on the face book by the organizers of the hostel alumni meet (the daru party) despite objections by the present lady warden (Poonam Sethi) in connivance with ex-warden, who was still occupying the warden's residence months after relinquishing the office, and the acting Principal. These females whose husbands were among the organizers, sought to disrupt the meeting along with other open agents of GB, who are luckily in minuscule minority. The manhandling incident in another Staff association (I was out of station that time) was fall out of that. The DPE had come after the victory in a cricket match, came to the staff room in T-shirt and shorts with trophy and sweets and one of these women complained to the GB without bringing it to the Staff Association. The resulting into the notification of the dress code.Executive Committee of Staff Association along with the DUTA leadership met the GB, which in principles agreed to withdraw the notification. This is the limited information, I have.
Not fashion but conviction. We do not want matriarchal society either, we seek a gender free society, as counter inequality is no solution to the problem of equality; equality is. As far as your reference to a lady teacher and "activist"'s view is concerned, to be a votary of patriarchy you need not be necessarily be a male in the same way as to be feminist you need not be necessarily a woman.Just like communalism, Gender is also not an attribute of biology but an ideology that is created and perpetuated through our everyday life practices. Ideology affects both -- the victim and perpetrator alike. Gender is an ideology that is why has to be fought at ideological;l level.
Mr. Pandey, I do not blame you, as you are a science student for not knowing difference between sex and gender. To put things simpler, gender is the ideology of patriarchy that discriminates on the basis of sex. Sex is natural and gender is ideological construct that assigns status and role model of men and women. For example, When the BJP Minister of MP advises women not to cross the Laxman Rekha or Bhagvat says that rapes occur in "India not in Bharat" or Sushma Swaraj makes the statement about the rape of physiotherapy student in December that even if she survived her life will be worst than death as if essence of female life lies between the legs. These are rendered statements. Being gender-free is breaking these genderized notions, which are not attributes of biology but ideological constructs by allowing women as equal human beings with equal freedom as men. I think now it would be clear to you what is meant by a gender free society. I will send you a photocopy of a research paper, I wrote in 1987, "Women's Question in Communal Ideologies: A Study into ideologies of RSS and Jamat-e-Islami", in course of which I read all the writings of RSS ideologues, Golvalkar and DD Upadhyay and utterances of fringe ones like Deshmukh and Deoras, who like Hitler holds that women's place is in the kitchen, which is a genderized statement.
Mr. Kapahi the low level you and your cohorts can stoop down is not surprising that is the Sanghi training, I still feel that those who claim to be Hindu or Muslim nationalist are anti-nationalists and not me, Tamal started Hindu nationalism business, I just reacted. Bhagvat's statement was clearly Male Chauvinist that should not be surprising as all the communal ideologies are anti-feminist. Shushma Swaraj' and many other BJP leadersd who had come out openly in defense of rapist Asharam with whom many pictures of top BJP leaders including Bajpayee had been displayed on social networking sights, simply conform the rapist attitude that there is no worth of a woman after rape, her identity has to be concealed not that of rapist. What does that MCP(Male Chauvinist Pig) minister of MP mean when he advises women not to cross the Laxman Rekha? Do the nights and roads belong to rapists? Ideologically bankrupt Sanghis do not argue but stoop down to baseless personal attacks. I do not blame you, its problem with the Sanghi/Bajrangi training which I also received as a teenager but fortunately was able to break from. Leave these stupidities of baseless personal attacks to young Bajrangi lumpens, this kind of behavior does not suit to your seniority. I am pained to write such thing for a senior professor like you but, you invited it. Last advice,start behaving like a mature respected academician, lumpenism does not suit your stature. Regards. I gave these examples to Mr. Pandey to explain him the difference b/w sex and gender.
But India is not Germany, he would have his his way so easy. Tragically many educated duffers are looking at him as savior, I challenge to quote one sentence or act of this organizer of pogrom and mass gang rape and murder that shows him a visionary and they resort to abuses and personal castigation. When Atasl bihari became the PM majority of educated people, the professors, particularly,. would say, India has got a visionary PM now. I challenged the intellectuals of the world to quote one act or sentence or lines from his poems of the standard of X/XI students to prove him visionary. He became PM for 13 days and without seeking the confidence of the house gave counter guarantee to the fraudulent Enron, no one knows for what bribe.
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